Log for 20210808 meeting

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+<@ulm> !proj council
+<willikins> (council@gentoo.org) dilfridge, gyakovlev, marecki, mattst88,
+            mgorny, sam, ulm
+<@ulm> agenda is here:
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/a80b7851eeaa92e45b0c87cd77a077e3
+<@ulm> 1. Roll call
+* gyakovlev here
+* mattst88 here
+* dilfridge here
+* sam_ here
+* mgorny here
+* ulm here                                                              [21:01]
+* Marecki here
+<@ulm> excellent
+<@ulm> 2. Ban EAPI 5
+<@ulm>
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/981157fc4524d8101c2030e0485a0870
+<@mattst88> let's do it
+<@ulm> the proposal is to do it the traditional way for now
+<@dilfridge> yes
+<@sam_> yes please                                                      [21:02]
+<@ulm> motion: ban EAPI 5 for ebuilds in the Gentoo repository
+<@Marecki> yes
+* sam_ yes
+* mattst88 yes
+* gyakovlev yes
+* dilfridge yes
+* Marecki yes
+* mgorny yes
+* ulm yes
+<@ulm> that's unanimous
+<@ulm> thanks :)
+<@ulm> 3. Operating model of Gentoo project and Gentoo Foundation
+<@ulm>
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/2fea68fbd3a193098fd97ddac04a3e3d
+                                                                        [21:03]
+<@mgorny> ulm: for clarity, maybe add 'for *new* ebuilds'
+<+antarus> that is 'the traditional way'; afaik
+<@ulm> mgorny: yeah, let's add the word. unless someone would object?
+<@dilfridge> you're still here? your date is waiting!
+<@mattst88> nope, sounds good to me
+<@dilfridge> ulm: do it
+<+antarus> dilfridge: ceiling antarus is always watching
+<@Marecki> No objection from me                                         [21:04]
+<@ulm> antarus: do you want to comment, or should we postpone the discussion
+       to next month?
+<@dilfridge> let's postpone it
+<+antarus> no i don't have time to have a useful converseation
+* dilfridge didnt prepare
+<@mgorny> maybe he meant date the fruit
+<@ulm> ok, let's postpone to september then                             [21:05]
+<@ulm> moving on
+<@ulm> 4. Open bugs with Council participation
+<@ulm> bug 736760
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/736760 "Application to Software
+            Freedom Conservancy"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF;
+            mgorny:trustees
+<@sam_> trustees advised me that we're unlikely to see progress/change until
+        post-election
+<@ulm> ok
+<@ulm> so no action for now, I guess?                                   [21:06]
+<+antarus> nothing needed from you
+<@ulm> bug 784710
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/784710 "Remove SHA512 hash from
+            Manifests"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; mgorny:council
+<@mgorny> i think we should reject it
+<@ulm> I think the tendency on the ML was against it
+<@dilfridge> just close it as wontfix and keep things as they are now
+<@mattst88> works for me
+<@gyakovlev> yeah feedback was mostly negative                          [21:07]
+<@ulm> action: close as WONTFIX
+<@ulm> bug 793164
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/793164 "GLEP 82: Repository
+            configuration file (layout.conf)"; Documentation, New GLEP
+            submissions; IN_P; mgorny:glep
+<@ulm> never ending GLEP :)
+<@sam_> I wonder which edit will appear once we're done with it this time :)
+                                                                        [21:08]
+<@dilfridge> what#s still missing there?
+<@ulm> mgorny: is this ready for yet another vote, or do we give it more time
+       for discussion?
+<@mgorny> ulm: hmm, we need to mark it final, right?
+<@ulm> we could also wait for implementation and then vote for Final status
+<@mgorny> but there's next bug about updating it ;-)
+<@dilfridge> ehm, this is afaik implemented
+<@sam_> bug 806830
+<willikins> sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/806830 "glep-0082: Add
+            profile-eapis-* keys"; Documentation, GLEP Changes; CONF;
+            mgorny:glep
+<@ulm> mgorny: is the implementation for thie ready?                    [21:09]
+<@ulm> *this
+<@ulm> i.e. for profile-eapis-*
+<@mgorny> no, i've planned to start implementing once it's approved
+<@mgorny> overall, 'implementation' for glep 82 is somewhat special since not
+          all keys are mandatory
+<@ulm> ok, then                                                         [21:10]
+<@mgorny> i would vote for adding the new keys, then for marking it final
+          since most of it is implemented already
+<@ulm> motion: accept profile-eapis-* keys in GLEP 82
+* dilfridge yes
+* Marecki yes
+* gyakovlev yes
+<@ulm> as specified in the bug
+* mattst88 yes
+* mgorny yes
+* sam_ yes
+* ulm yes
+<@ulm> unanimous
+<@mgorny> ftr, eapis-testing is ready to be merged into pkgcheck        [21:11]
+<@ulm> good
+<@ulm> bug 801937
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/801937 "Translators' requests on wiki
+            are blocked since november 2019"; Websites, Wiki; IN_P; marco:wiki
+<@mgorny> ulm: can we also mark the glep final?
+<@dilfridge> this has been unblocked
+<@sam_> we've had some great progress with translations finally happening
+        again
+<@ulm> mgorny: you said it's not yet implemented?
+<@mattst88> awesome, that's great to hear
+<@mattst88> I find it bizarre that we ended up in this position. do we know
+            what went wrong with the process that lead to nearly 2 years of
+            requests being ignored?                                     [21:12]
+<@mgorny> ulm: i've said that most of the keys are optional, so probably no
+          point in requiring implementation of all of them
+<@mgorny> mattst88: bus factor of one?
+<@ulm> mgorny: let's do it next month, it's not really blocking anything
+<@mgorny> ulm: ok
+<@mattst88> mgorny: I know grknight said he wasn't going to do it anymore, but
+            we've got a Wiki team, right?
+<@ulm> maffblaster and yours truly have done all the backlog of translator
+       requests                                                         [21:13]
+<@ulm> so we should be up to date by now
+<@ulm> the question is how to prevent this from happening again in future?
+<@dilfridge> well, keep the bus factor at least at 2
+<@mattst88> well, I'm really asking how did the Wiki team not know that there
+            was such a backlog
+<@dilfridge> I guess maffblaster was thinking grknight was doing it     [21:14]
+<@mgorny> is there a good reason why we need to approve translators
+          explicitly?
+<@mattst88> having a backlog isn't a problem, but e.g. absolutely nothing
+            happening in 18 months indicates a different problem
+<@ulm> mgorny: I guess the idea was to keep track of new languages
+<@mattst88> I guess I'm asking -- did other members of the Wiki project know
+            that there were a bunch of people waiting to be approved?
+<@dilfridge> which other members                                        [21:15]
+<@sam_> apparently the software is kind of hard to read too
+<@mattst88> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Wiki
+<@mattst88> maffblaster, mgorny, polynomial-c
+<@dilfridge> poly does technical stuff afaik
+<@dilfridge> so it boiled down to maff and grknight
+<@mattst88> the 18 months of not approving anyone else suggests to me that
+            there was a communication issue and that people who were able to
+            handle this didn't know about it                            [21:16]
+<@mattst88> rather than someone just being lazy and not doing it or whatever
+<@mgorny> ulm: since you've handled the requests, is there any documentation
+          how it all works? i.e. how we could do it in the future?
+<@mgorny> if not, can you write that down somewhere?
+<@ulm> mgorny: none that I was aware of, but I can write the steps down
+                                                                        [21:17]
+<@ulm> I'll also keep an eye on that page
+<@mattst88> ... nobody knows the answer to my question?
+<@mgorny> mattst88: gentoo wiki is complex
+<@ulm> well, obviously there was a problem with information flow
+<@dilfridge> mattst88: I think maff assumed that grknight is doing it
+<+soap> mattst88: maybe people that dont want to work together?
+<@dilfridge> which was not the case                                     [21:18]
+<@mgorny> i didn't knwo about the problem until it has been pointed out
+          publicly
+<@mgorny> then, i didn't know how to resolve it ;-)
+<@sam_> I think there was a minor issue with the software being confusing but
+        I don't think that was the main problem
+<@ulm> yeah, it's a little tricky
+<@sam_> I THINK, somewhere in my logs, I have grknight getting fed up of doing
+        it
+<@dilfridge> also, there have been delays with the translator requests in the
+             past, but never such a long one
+<@mattst88> dilfridge: okay, sounds like whatever the mechanism for requesting
+            translator access doesn't/didn't email anyone (other than maybe
+            grknight)?
+<@dilfridge> dunno
+<@mgorny> well, i've added that page to my watchlist now                [21:19]
+<@mgorny> i didn't really know it had existed before
+<@ulm> I think that watching that page doesn't work because it uses a special
+       comments plugin
+<@mattst88> okay, so that's all people need to do? watch the requests page,
+            right?
+<@mattst88> oh, dang
+<@mgorny> how about we ask people to request it on bugzilla?
+<@ulm> I can talk to maffblaster about changing it to a standard page
+<@mattst88> either of those sounds fine to me -- I just want to avoid a repeat
+            in the future :)                                            [21:20]
+<@dilfridge> semantic horror from beneath the waves mediawiki old one
+<@mattst88> heh
+<@ulm> so, we close the bug, and I'm going to talk to maff?             [21:21]
+<@dilfridge> ++
+<@sam_> i'd like to keep it open until we have some sort of final action to
+        avoid it happening in future
+<@sam_> but not going to be stubborn on this
+<@mgorny> ulm: let's keep it open
+<@ulm> wfm
+<@ulm> can we move on?                                                  [21:22]
+<@ulm> 5. Open floor
+<@ulm> anyone?
+<@ulm> apparently not                                                   [21:23]
+<@ulm> then let's move to the private channel for the last topic
+<@ulm> anything else?                                                   [21:42]
+<@dilfridge> not from me                                                [21:43]
+*** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council:
+    "217th meeting: 2021-09-12 19:00 UTC |
+    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20210912T19 |
+    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council |
+    https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.html"
+<@ulm> meeting is closed then
+<@dilfridge> \o/
+<@sam_> \o/                                                             [21:44]
+<@ulm> mgorny: you'll be chairing in september
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