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+14:01 <@WilliamH> agenda is here: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/716e138cd834ab29e1f74bcc2e35eb41
+14:01 <@WilliamH> roll call
+14:01 * WilliamH here
+14:01 * K_F here
+14:01 * kent\n here for dilfridge
+14:01 * ulm here
+14:01 * rich0 here
+14:02 <@WilliamH> Soap__: ping?
+14:03 <@WilliamH> The only topic we have is open bugs with council involvement...
+14:04 <@WilliamH> bug 571490
+14:04 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/571490 "Missing summary for 20151025 council meeting"; Documentation, Project-specific documentation; CONF; mgorny:council
+14:04 <@K_F> lets give it some minutes to see if blueness and soap doesn't show up
+14:04 <@K_F> anyone can SMS blueness?
+14:05 <@ulm> yeah, I have his number
+14:05 <@ulm> I've texted him
+14:05 <@K_F> ulm: thanks
+14:09 <@K_F> hmm, guess they won't show up then..
+14:09 <@WilliamH> moving on...
+14:10 <@WilliamH> bug 571490
+14:10 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/571490 "Missing summary for 20151025 council meeting"; Documentation, Project-specific documentation; CONF; mgorny:council
+14:10 <@K_F> summary is in git repo, I can update wiki, then that is closed
+14:10 <@WilliamH> K_F: ok, cool.
+14:10 <@WilliamH> bug 565566
+14:11 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/565566 "New ChangeLogs are in chronological order"; Gentoo Infrastructure, CVS/SVN/Git; CONF; patrick:infra-bugs
+14:11 <@WilliamH> still nothing from infra
+14:11 <@K_F> I'm keeping same sentiment as last meeting on it
+14:12 <@K_F> if anyone feel strongly for it they can follow up, but it is not really much for council to do (decisions etc) at this point
+14:12 <@WilliamH> bug 610990
+14:12 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/610990 "Please create a BZ product "Gentoo Council" similar to "Gentoo Foundation""; Gentoo Infrastructure, Bugzilla; CONF; dilfridge:bugzilla
+14:13 <@WilliamH> before 990.
+14:13 <@WilliamH> should we remove council from the cc on 566 since there's nothing we can do?
+14:14 <@ulm> I think that we should keep watching it
+14:14 <@WilliamH> ok, no problem.
+14:14 <@WilliamH> then for bug 610990
+14:14 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/610990 "Please create a BZ product "Gentoo Council" similar to "Gentoo Foundation""; Gentoo Infrastructure, Bugzilla; CONF; dilfridge:bugzilla
+14:15 <@WilliamH> Any comments on this one?
+14:15 < kent\n> side thought, an "Administration" product could contain Council and Foundation. *shrug*
+14:16 <@K_F> mgorny already propose something of the sort
+14:16 <@rich0> You could lump in comrel and a bunch of other stuff in there.
+14:17 <@rich0> Including infra, actually.
+14:17 < kent\n> Infra seems better descriptor of "physical admininistration" where as this is more "Social Administration"
+14:18 <@rich0> Seems related to me. Comrel and recruiters would fall into the social bucket.
+14:18 <@K_F> to me it comes down to the point on access restriction and group permissions
+14:18 <@rich0> But, sure, there is a gray area.
+14:18 <@K_F> mgorny wasn't sure if that can be done on component level or if it needs to be on product level, if it can't that is moot discussion
+14:18 <@K_F> so before that can be discussed at all needs to get confirmation it is possible
+14:19 * WilliamH agrees with k_f
+14:19 * kent\n ack
+14:19 <@K_F> but it is really irrelevant for the bug on setting up a council project to begin with
+14:19 < kent\n> The gist though I think its "Council should have a thing maybe", and we can work out the details later?
+14:20 <@rich0> yup
+14:20 <@K_F> "maybe"?
+14:20 < kent\n> (~ no point in researching how if council decide it not wanted )
+14:20 < dwfreed> the issue with being a component under a product vs being your own product is that you don't have further categorization possible if you're a component
+14:21 * WilliamH still thinks gentoo council should be a product not a component
+14:21 <@ulm> +1
+14:22 < kent\n> Yeah. It is more future proof.
+14:22 <@K_F> yup
+14:22 <@K_F> and not confusing users as its not selectable by default
+14:22 <@K_F> similar to trustees
+14:23 <@WilliamH> Who is supposed to be working on this bug?
+14:23 < kent\n> Can we think of 2 potential sub-categories of Council as a starter?
+14:23 <@K_F> WilliamH: waiting for infra action
+14:24 <@WilliamH> K_F: ah ok.
+14:24 <@ulm> but maybe we should clarify that we want a product?
+14:24 <@WilliamH> ulm: that seems pretty clear from the bug
+14:24 <@K_F> no harm in confirming it again after this discussion
+14:25 <@ulm> K_F: can you take care of it?
+14:25 <@K_F> yup
+14:25 <@WilliamH> ok, moving on...
+14:25 <@WilliamH> open floor.
+14:25 * WilliamH listens
+14:26 <@ulm> it was suggested that we should get council approval on the current pms version again
+14:26 <@WilliamH> why?
+14:26 <@ulm> because there were a few clarifications, mainly on scope of variables
+14:27 <@K_F> the FILESDIR and PATCHES one?
+14:27 <@WilliamH> Do we have to approve clarifications?
+14:27 <@ulm> K_F: yep, plus DISTDIR, WORKDIR, S, A, AA
+14:27 <@ulm> WilliamH: that's the question
+14:28 <@K_F> the clafification seems well within bounds of how I was thinking it to begin with, but I've seen the discussions so don't have any issue re-confirming it
+14:28 <@K_F> can you write up a proposal for statement?
+14:28 <@ulm> K_F: I can do for the next meeting
+14:28 <@ulm> also including a list of changes
+14:28 <@K_F> yeah, either next meeting or just a bug in mean time should be fine
+14:28 <@WilliamH> sgtm
+14:29 <@ulm> yeah, bug sounds good
+14:30 <@WilliamH> anything else?
+14:30 * WilliamH bangs the gavel.... meeting closed
+14:31 <@WilliamH> Thanks folks. :-)
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