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-rw-r--r--decisions/decisions.tex3
-rw-r--r--decisions/summary-20080612.tex201
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7 files changed, 366 insertions, 1 deletions
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.bux b/decisions/decisions.bux
index 94da796..ee58c24 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.bux
+++ b/decisions/decisions.bux
@@ -14,6 +14,8 @@ dynamic SLOT;SLOT!dynamic
IUSE defaults
179380
ECONF_SOURCE
+188449
+PMS;PMS!version components
194876
EAPI!1
211529
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlf b/decisions/decisions.mlf
index d6238f3..b12532e 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mlf
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mlf
@@ -6,6 +6,8 @@ Andreas K. Huettel
Michał Górny
05049f71afe57feda13c2f4c4adafc7c:gentoo-project
William Hubbs
+05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0:gentoo-dev
+Luca Barbato
0a21c4f6829ea34214169a96cacce931:gentoo-project
Michał Górny
0ac51471c7e665c1eea33d4f38e7fd82:gentoo-project
@@ -40,6 +42,8 @@ Ben de Groot
Fabian Groffen
3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project
Fabian Groffen
+37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806:gentoo-dev
+Mike Frysinger
3806fe4e42dc8ce013e247a081e3d4a0:gentoo-project
Denis Dupeyron
3a319600f3dc2dc42703a710155b2882:gentoo-project
@@ -72,6 +76,8 @@ Thomas Sachau
Anthony G. Basile
5471f2db793e7fe9f50038fb23258c66:gentoo-project
Theo Chatzimichos
+54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9:gentoo-dev
+Donnie Berkholz
561ed4b5e0fa94eb1d4375693614aab1:gentoo-project
Patrick McLean
5a3e7a62abc3f6f529cbb18d85f2fbcf:gentoo-project
@@ -130,6 +136,8 @@ Ulrich Mueller
Andreas K. Huettel
9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project
Ulrich Mueller
+9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7:gentoo-dev
+Donnie Berkholz
9ee60ed0bdb532d63e9fd535a48c864a:gentoo-project
Michał Górny
a08ea09c2c8e534fd9bc1146703c66ff:gentoo-dev
@@ -172,12 +180,16 @@ bec5db8373fca0271fcadf0cd55724e8:gentoo-dev
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
c60f7c1514f175b8cc0d376ae9373e17:gentoo-project
Ulrich Mueller
+c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea:gentoo-dev
+Donnie Berkholz
cb8a98613ce0682f9ee0aaa268f3374b:gentoo-dev
Spider
cd71445e6968d5630161ae72d9c38562:gentoo-project
Michał Górny
d4a276a047fd155512f9b746253582b7:gentoo-project
Rich Freeman
+d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264:gentoo-council
+Donnie Berkholz
d899dd93be2f93b85f65f47c54087806:gentoo-project
Pacho Ramos
daa09e196660d1ecfe2fb7a7726ce489:gentoo-project
@@ -214,3 +226,5 @@ fa05f5319ef4255d3e3fe34da79a2534:gentoo-project
Dirkjan Ochtman
fb5d6fe4d6f84eeb5fedff2e968675fb:gentoo-project
William Hubbs
+fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9:gentoo-dev
+Donnie Berkholz
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mls b/decisions/decisions.mls
index f1342af..800075a 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mls
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mls
@@ -6,6 +6,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2016-02-14
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09
05049f71afe57feda13c2f4c4adafc7c:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting: Tuesday 11 November 2012, 19:00 UTC
+05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees
0a21c4f6829ea34214169a96cacce931:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2017-02-12
0ac51471c7e665c1eea33d4f38e7fd82:gentoo-project
@@ -40,6 +42,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting 2015-03-10: call for agenda items
[gentoo-dev] ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request)
3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project
[gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request)
+37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June
3806fe4e42dc8ce013e247a081e3d4a0:gentoo-project
[gentoo-project] Re: [GLEP 39 overhaul] Does the council need a lead?
3a319600f3dc2dc42703a710155b2882:gentoo-project
@@ -72,6 +76,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-11-13
[gentoo-project] Gentoo Council: agenda for June 12 meeting
5471f2db793e7fe9f50038fb23258c66:gentoo-project
[gentoo-project] gentoo/user and gentoo/contributor cloaks
+54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata
561ed4b5e0fa94eb1d4375693614aab1:gentoo-project
[gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12
5a3e7a62abc3f6f529cbb18d85f2fbcf:gentoo-project
@@ -130,6 +136,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-12-13
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08
9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project
[gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09
+9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June
9ee60ed0bdb532d63e9fd535a48c864a:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Council Meeting June 2: Call for Agenda Items
a08ea09c2c8e534fd9bc1146703c66ff:gentoo-dev
@@ -172,12 +180,16 @@ bec5db8373fca0271fcadf0cd55724e8:gentoo-dev
[gentoo-dev] Summary of suggested new features in EAPI="4"
c60f7c1514f175b8cc0d376ae9373e17:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-12-13
+c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees
cb8a98613ce0682f9ee0aaa268f3374b:gentoo-dev
Re: [gentoo-dev] GTK und GTK2 Use Flag
cd71445e6968d5630161ae72d9c38562:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Council Meeting June 2: Call for Agenda Items
d4a276a047fd155512f9b746253582b7:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-06-11
+d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264:gentoo-council
+[gentoo-council] How to handle appeals
d899dd93be2f93b85f65f47c54087806:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting 2015-03-10: call for agenda items
daa09e196660d1ecfe2fb7a7726ce489:gentoo-project
@@ -214,3 +226,5 @@ fa05f5319ef4255d3e3fe34da79a2534:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2016-02-14
fb5d6fe4d6f84eeb5fedff2e968675fb:gentoo-project
Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14
+fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlt b/decisions/decisions.mlt
index ec0247d..83d56c9 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mlt
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mlt
@@ -6,6 +6,8 @@ Sun, 04 Dec 2011 00:15:32
Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:22:11
05049f71afe57feda13c2f4c4adafc7c:gentoo-project
Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:02:49
+05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0:gentoo-dev
+Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:06:25
0a21c4f6829ea34214169a96cacce931:gentoo-project
Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:36:11
0ac51471c7e665c1eea33d4f38e7fd82:gentoo-project
@@ -40,6 +42,8 @@ Mon, 02 Mar 2015 06:36:01
Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:12:05
3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project
Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:17:05
+37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806:gentoo-dev
+Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:14:35
3806fe4e42dc8ce013e247a081e3d4a0:gentoo-project
Fri, 14 May 2010 22:45:30
3a319600f3dc2dc42703a710155b2882:gentoo-project
@@ -72,6 +76,8 @@ Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:17:59
Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:08:28
5471f2db793e7fe9f50038fb23258c66:gentoo-project
Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:15:01
+54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9:gentoo-dev
+Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:20:42
561ed4b5e0fa94eb1d4375693614aab1:gentoo-project
Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:59:43
5a3e7a62abc3f6f529cbb18d85f2fbcf:gentoo-project
@@ -130,6 +136,8 @@ Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:16:50
Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:35:37
9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project
Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:25:24
+9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7:gentoo-dev
+Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:09:50
9ee60ed0bdb532d63e9fd535a48c864a:gentoo-project
Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:45:37
a08ea09c2c8e534fd9bc1146703c66ff:gentoo-dev
@@ -172,12 +180,16 @@ bec5db8373fca0271fcadf0cd55724e8:gentoo-dev
Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:45:51
c60f7c1514f175b8cc0d376ae9373e17:gentoo-project
Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:08:38
+c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea:gentoo-dev
+Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:15:28
cb8a98613ce0682f9ee0aaa268f3374b:gentoo-dev
Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:44:33
cd71445e6968d5630161ae72d9c38562:gentoo-project
Tue, 09 Jun 2015 11:12:05
d4a276a047fd155512f9b746253582b7:gentoo-project
Mon, 27 May 2013 21:30:54
+d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264:gentoo-council
+Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:50:50
d899dd93be2f93b85f65f47c54087806:gentoo-project
Sat, 07 Mar 2015 10:28:17
daa09e196660d1ecfe2fb7a7726ce489:gentoo-project
@@ -214,3 +226,5 @@ fa05f5319ef4255d3e3fe34da79a2534:gentoo-project
Wed, 03 Feb 2016 20:46:39
fb5d6fe4d6f84eeb5fedff2e968675fb:gentoo-project
Thu, 04 Aug 2016 16:25:15
+fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9:gentoo-dev
+Fri, 30 May 2008 22:07:49
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.tex b/decisions/decisions.tex
index d0c878b..c57ab7c 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.tex
+++ b/decisions/decisions.tex
@@ -202,7 +202,8 @@ Council members: amne, betelgeuse, dberkholz, flameeyes, jokey
\include{summary-20080410}
\include{summary-20080508}
\include{summary-20080515}
-
+\include{summary-20080612}
+\include{summary-20080710}
\chapter{Meeting summaries 2008/09}
diff --git a/decisions/summary-20080612.tex b/decisions/summary-20080612.tex
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..9b6b22d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/decisions/summary-20080612.tex
@@ -0,0 +1,201 @@
+
+\summary{2008}{6}{12}
+
+
+\agendaitem{Moderation}
+\index{council!meeting!channel mode}
+
+Modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
+
+If it becomes necessary, we'll do it. Leave channel open till then.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Time limit}
+\index{council!meeting!time limit}
+
+2 hours?
+
+Yes. We'll move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.
+
+
+
+\agendaitem{Document of being an active developer}
+\index{developer certificate}
+
+Last month: Numerous suggested improvements to info on the certificate.
+
+Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and
+any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 2+ hours
+before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Slacker arches}
+\index{arches!slacking}
+
+Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams?}
+\index{arch!arm}\index{arch!sh}\index{arch!s390}
+
+Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their
+workflow on-list 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?}
+\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}
+
+References:
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{db2f5c09c2c0c8b042ca3d0dcec7cdaf}
+ \item
+ \bug{188449}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Preparation: Do the package maintainers with extremely long PVs need
+them? The involved packages:
+\begin{verbatim}
+ sys-process/fuser-bsd
+ sys-apps/net-tools
+ sys-apps/gradm
+ net-im/ntame
+ media-video/captury
+ media-libs/libcaptury
+ media-libs/capseo
+ sys-block/btrace
+ www-apache/mod_depends
+ net-wireless/rt2500
+ sys-fs/unionfs
+\end{verbatim}
+
+Preparation: What's the impact of extending versionator.eclass?
+
+Goal: With data in hand, make a decision.
+
+Decision: We didn't have all of the testing requested. We still voted to
+allow versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate
+question and was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction,
+please discuss with fellow implementors and present your consensus to
+the council.
+
+
+\agendaitem{How to handle appeals}
+\index{council!appeal process}
+
+Preparation: Post to the gentoo-council mailing list 2+ hours before the
+meeting with your opinion.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}
+
+Goal: Vote on an approach that was previously posted to the list.
+
+Decision: We approved dberkholz's proposal.
+
+
+
+\agendaitem{as-needed by default}
+\index{as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS}
+
+antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default
+LDFLAGS.
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "RFC: --as-needed to
+default LDFLAGS" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}
+
+Goal: Vote.
+
+Result: Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in
+make.conf.example wasn't clear. Betelgeuse suggested that we should know
+the whole tree will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for
+packages that append -Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider
+enabling it by default.
+
+Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote
+on it on -council as soon as it solidifies.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 54}
+\index{GLEP!54}\index{scm suffix}\index{PV}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to
+our nominees" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Goal: Vote.
+
+Result: lu_zero posted a second plan 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been
+around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let them develop
+and see if the ideas somehow merge.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 55}
+\index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 2+ hours
+before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we
+vote.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+
+Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
+this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
+meeting.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 56}
+\index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag
+descriptions in metadata" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to
+come to a consensus before we vote.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
+
+Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
+this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
+meeting.
+
+There is still room for improvement in this GLEP, not so much in its
+technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible
+generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Status of PMS}
+\index{PMS}
+
+ferringb said:
+ I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if
+ the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral*
+ standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if
+ said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "One-Day Gentoo
+Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council
+members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.
diff --git a/decisions/summary-20080710.tex b/decisions/summary-20080710.tex
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..0d91fc9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/decisions/summary-20080710.tex
@@ -0,0 +1,119 @@
+
+\summary{2008}{7}{10}
+
+
+GLEP 56: Approved. Cardoe will get repoman changes made, followed by a
+ server-side script to generate use.local.desc from
+ metadata.xml.
+
+
+The meeting wrapped up in under 1 hour again. We still need to work
+harder to push more discussion and questions to the mailing list,
+though.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 54}
+\index{GLEP!54}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to
+our nominees" 4+ hours before the meeting.
+
+Last month:
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list
+no later than July 17.
+
+\begin{verbatim}
+<Betelgeuse@> dberkholz: with GLEP 55 EAPI X can add the support for scm
+<Betelgeuse@> dberkholz: and older Portage versions work just fine
+
+<Betelgeuse@> dberkholz: In general I oppose adding things to EAPI 0
+
+< lu_zero@> dberkholz problem: if you have -scm installed
+< lu_zero@> and then switch to a pm not knowing it
+< lu_zero@> you have a nice recipe for inconsistency
+
+< Halcy0n@> I would really like to see a list of features that we would
+ end up having after implementing this GLEP. The GLEP
+ mentions possible enhancements, but I'd like to see what we
+ would have planned if we go forward with this change.
+< Halcy0n@> Well, it only mentions one enhancement, I'd like to see
+ what else we could do to judge if it is worth it.
+Halcy0n@> Betelgeuse: yes, I know there are some things we could do,
+ but I'd like to see a more extensive list of possibilities,
+ what are other possible ways of doing this (like a metadata
+ tag for the ebuild), and why those other methods aren't
+ sufficient.
+
+< dberkholz@> i think the point here is that the glep should address what
+ made its implementation superior to other possible ones,
+ which it also describes
+
+< dberkholz@> ok, i've noted the issues raised here
+< dberkholz@> once they're address, the glep can be revised and we'll
+ consider it again
+\end{verbatim}
+
+Summary: There were numerous questions that apparently were not brought
+ up on the mailing list in advance or were not addressed.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 55}
+\index{GLEP!55}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 4+ hours
+before the meeting.
+
+Last month:
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+
+Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list
+once we're ready.
+
+\begin{verbatim}
+<Betelgeuse@> But I don't see the use of accepting it before we a)
+ Portage has something that would make use of it b) some
+ other pkg manager is made official
+< Halcy0n@> So, can we vote on postponing a GLEP of this nature until
+ another glep requires such changes?
+\end{verbatim}
+
+Summary: On hold pending a concrete requirement for it. GLEP 54 may be,
+but that's unclear until it's been revised.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 56}
+\index{GLEP!56}\index{GLEP!56!approval}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag
+descriptions in metadata" 4+ hours before the meeting. (Cardoe: Did the
+requested updates ever get made?)
+
+Last month:
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
+
+Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list
+no later than July 17, if requested changes are made.
+
+Requested changes were made: \url{
+http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.txt?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
+}
+
+\begin{verbatim}
+< Cardoe > Well the first step of making that portion happen is going
+ to be to add a check to repoman that if use.local.desc is
+ not present in the repo, do new QA check.
+< Cardoe > Once that's in place that developers can use, then the
+ infra script will happen.
+< Cardoe > I've already discussed it with the Portage folks and the
+ infra folks.
+\end{verbatim}
+
+Summary: Approved.
+