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+\summary{2008}{6}{12}
+
+
+\agendaitem{Moderation}
+\index{council!meeting!channel mode}
+
+Modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
+
+If it becomes necessary, we'll do it. Leave channel open till then.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Time limit}
+\index{council!meeting!time limit}
+
+2 hours?
+
+Yes. We'll move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.
+
+
+
+\agendaitem{Document of being an active developer}
+\index{developer certificate}
+
+Last month: Numerous suggested improvements to info on the certificate.
+
+Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and
+any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 2+ hours
+before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Slacker arches}
+\index{arches!slacking}
+
+Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams?}
+\index{arch!arm}\index{arch!sh}\index{arch!s390}
+
+Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their
+workflow on-list 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
+expected.
+
+
+\agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?}
+\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}
+
+References:
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{db2f5c09c2c0c8b042ca3d0dcec7cdaf}
+ \item
+ \bug{188449}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Preparation: Do the package maintainers with extremely long PVs need
+them? The involved packages:
+\begin{verbatim}
+ sys-process/fuser-bsd
+ sys-apps/net-tools
+ sys-apps/gradm
+ net-im/ntame
+ media-video/captury
+ media-libs/libcaptury
+ media-libs/capseo
+ sys-block/btrace
+ www-apache/mod_depends
+ net-wireless/rt2500
+ sys-fs/unionfs
+\end{verbatim}
+
+Preparation: What's the impact of extending versionator.eclass?
+
+Goal: With data in hand, make a decision.
+
+Decision: We didn't have all of the testing requested. We still voted to
+allow versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate
+question and was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction,
+please discuss with fellow implementors and present your consensus to
+the council.
+
+
+\agendaitem{How to handle appeals}
+\index{council!appeal process}
+
+Preparation: Post to the gentoo-council mailing list 2+ hours before the
+meeting with your opinion.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}
+
+Goal: Vote on an approach that was previously posted to the list.
+
+Decision: We approved dberkholz's proposal.
+
+
+
+\agendaitem{as-needed by default}
+\index{as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS}
+
+antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default
+LDFLAGS.
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "RFC: --as-needed to
+default LDFLAGS" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}
+
+Goal: Vote.
+
+Result: Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in
+make.conf.example wasn't clear. Betelgeuse suggested that we should know
+the whole tree will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for
+packages that append -Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider
+enabling it by default.
+
+Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote
+on it on -council as soon as it solidifies.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 54}
+\index{GLEP!54}\index{scm suffix}\index{PV}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to
+our nominees" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Goal: Vote.
+
+Result: lu_zero posted a second plan 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been
+around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let them develop
+and see if the ideas somehow merge.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 55}
+\index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 2+ hours
+before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we
+vote.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+
+Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
+this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
+meeting.
+
+
+\agendaitem{GLEP 56}
+\index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml}
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag
+descriptions in metadata" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to
+come to a consensus before we vote.
+
+\agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
+
+Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
+this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
+meeting.
+
+There is still room for improvement in this GLEP, not so much in its
+technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible
+generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.
+
+
+\agendaitem{Status of PMS}
+\index{PMS}
+
+ferringb said:
+ I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if
+ the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral*
+ standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if
+ said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.
+
+Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "One-Day Gentoo
+Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806}
+\end{itemize}
+
+Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council
+members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.