\summary{2008}{6}{12} \agendaitem{Moderation} \index{council!meeting!channel mode} Modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions? If it becomes necessary, we'll do it. Leave channel open till then. \agendaitem{Time limit} \index{council!meeting!time limit} 2 hours? Yes. We'll move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists. \agendaitem{Document of being an active developer} \index{developer certificate} Last month: Numerous suggested improvements to info on the certificate. Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 2+ hours before the meeting. Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. \agendaitem{Slacker arches} \index{arches!slacking} Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 2+ hours before the meeting. Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. \agendaitem{Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams?} \index{arch!arm}\index{arch!sh}\index{arch!s390} Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their workflow on-list 2+ hours before the meeting. Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. \agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?} \index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator} References: \begin{itemize} \item \agoref{gentoo-dev}{db2f5c09c2c0c8b042ca3d0dcec7cdaf} \item \bug{188449} \end{itemize} Preparation: Do the package maintainers with extremely long PVs need them? The involved packages: \begin{verbatim} sys-process/fuser-bsd sys-apps/net-tools sys-apps/gradm net-im/ntame media-video/captury media-libs/libcaptury media-libs/capseo sys-block/btrace www-apache/mod_depends net-wireless/rt2500 sys-fs/unionfs \end{verbatim} Preparation: What's the impact of extending versionator.eclass? Goal: With data in hand, make a decision. Decision: We didn't have all of the testing requested. We still voted to allow versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate question and was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction, please discuss with fellow implementors and present your consensus to the council. \agendaitem{How to handle appeals} \index{council!appeal process} Preparation: Post to the gentoo-council mailing list 2+ hours before the meeting with your opinion. \agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264} Goal: Vote on an approach that was previously posted to the list. Decision: We approved dberkholz's proposal. \agendaitem{as-needed by default} \index{as-needed}\index{--as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS} antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default LDFLAGS. Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS" 2+ hours before the meeting. \agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9} Goal: Vote. Result: Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in make.conf.example wasn't clear. Betelgeuse suggested that we should know the whole tree will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for packages that append -Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider enabling it by default. Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote on it on -council as soon as it solidifies. \agendaitem{GLEP 54} \index{GLEP!54}\index{scm version suffix}\index{PV} Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to our nominees" 2+ hours before the meeting. \begin{itemize} \item \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea} \item \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0} \end{itemize} Goal: Vote. Result: lu_zero posted a second plan 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let them develop and see if the ideas somehow merge. \agendaitem{GLEP 55} \index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix} Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we vote. \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea} Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next meeting. \agendaitem{GLEP 56} \index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml} Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we vote. \agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9} Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next meeting. There is still room for improvement in this GLEP, not so much in its technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it. \agendaitem{Status of PMS} \index{PMS} ferringb said: I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral* standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09. Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting. \begin{itemize} \item \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7} \item \agoref{gentoo-dev}{37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806} \end{itemize} Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.