[00:00:00] - {Tageswechsel: Montag, 27. Juli 2015} ... [21:00:29] -*- WilliamH is here [21:00:43] -*- K_F too [21:02:26] -*- dilfridge here [21:02:55] ok since we dont have a designated chair yet [21:03:08] blueness: ulm: rich0: ping [21:03:23] jlec: ping [21:03:28] roll call :) [21:03:40] i'm here [21:04:27] dilfridge: thanks for the ping i lost tack of time as usual [21:04:37] I'm here [21:04:49] Hi everyone [21:04:56] hi jlec welcome on board [21:05:04] blueness: Thanks [21:05:08] hi & welcome jlec & K_F :) [21:05:16] thanks :) [21:05:25] I am looking forward to the new experience [21:05:49] Hoping for some guidance from the oldtimers. [21:05:52] ok ulm and rich0 still missing [21:06:06] rich0: said he likely isn't going to make it today after all [21:06:10] ok [21:06:16] k [21:06:22] he left some comments in backlog on timing that goes to one of the votes [21:06:47] s/votes/agenda items/ [21:06:54] anyone got ulm's number already? [21:07:04] K_F: welcome on board too [21:07:10] -*- dilfridge forgetful [21:07:18] dilfridge: no, don't have his # [21:07:21] blueness: thanks [21:07:39] dilfridge: we're just scheduling dates for chairing and times to meet no? [21:07:50] think so, just picking out the agena [21:08:01] proposed agenda: [21:08:03] - Vote for holding meetings every 2nd Tuesday of the month at 1900 UTC [21:08:03] - Vote for continuing last council's workflow considering sending call [21:08:03] for agenda items (2 weeks in advance), sending the agenda (1 week in [21:08:03] advance) and have the meeting focussed, e.g., have major discussions [21:08:05] * dilfridge has changed topic for #gentoo-council to: "Next meeting: Monday, July 27 2015 19:00 UTC | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=0&sec=0 | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council | https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/82138f44a4afda239cd03e51c4237c7f" [21:08:05] on -project ML prior to the meeting [21:08:08] - Appoint chairmen for this term's meetings [21:08:10] - Open bugs with council involvement [21:08:13] - Open floor to council members to introduce themselves to the others, [21:08:15] and/or raise issues they would like to deal with [21:08:18] - Open floor to community [21:08:26] ok [21:08:30] so let's start [21:08:54] blueness: jlec: K_F: rich0: ulm: WilliamH meetin starts [21:09:03] k [21:09:04] )1 Vote for holding meetings every 2nd Tuesday of the month at 1900 UTC [21:09:16] so I think we wanted to change this, right? [21:09:26] we do? [21:09:28] this was rich0's comments, he prefers weekends due to business hours on his side [21:09:36] ah [21:09:48] I agree with him, as I'm also travelling a lot during weeks for business purposes [21:09:51] Sounds like. I am open for every day. But not during nighttimes in UTC+2 [21:10:05] I propose we make it Sundays at 1900 UTC [21:10:13] I'm fine with current timing, but other days are also possible (e.g. sunday) [21:10:22] i can do sunday [21:10:26] me too [21:11:06] WilliamH: ? [21:11:40] I can do Sunday if need be [21:12:20] shall we do a vote? "Move the meeting to Sunday 1900 UTC", yes no abstain [21:12:39] yes [21:12:41] yes [21:12:42] -*- K_F yes [21:12:44] -*- dilfridge abstains [21:13:11] 18:19 <@rich0> I'd just strongly advise that we avoid weekdays, or have the [21:13:14] meetings sometime other than business hours (anywhere a council [21:13:17] member is present). It is getting much harder to attend council [21:13:20] meetings. [21:13:33] ok that is effectively yes from rich0 too [21:14:08] WilliamH: yes no abstain ? [21:14:17] -*- WilliamH abstains [21:14:39] ok ulm and rich0 absent, so 3 yes, 2 abstain, 0 no, 2 absent [21:14:50] meetings will be sunday 19:00 utc [21:15:30] I'd suggest we keep the "2nd ..." rule, so this would be 2nd sunday of the month... do we need to vote on this? [21:15:34] (I think no) [21:15:38] fine with me [21:15:43] fine here too [21:15:50] its okay [21:16:01] yes, 2nd is good [21:16:20] ok excellent. one agenda item done... this means next meeting will be 9/Aug. [21:16:44] -*- dilfridge will be absent unless there's inflight wifi... [21:17:19] how does the proxy system works, do we select a person individually that can represent in meetings if we know we're absent on a particular date? [21:17:25] 2) Vote for continuing last council's workflow considering sending call [21:17:25] for agenda items (2 weeks in advance), sending the agenda (1 week in [21:17:25] advance) and have the meeting focussed, e.g., have major discussions [21:17:25] on -project ML prior to the meeting [21:17:45] K_F: just pick someone, yes (tell the rest of us before) [21:17:46] and notify on alias etc? with notes etc.. [21:17:48] dilfridge: sounds fine for me. [21:17:51] K_F you choose your victim [21:18:01] sounds good [21:18:14] dilfridge: I would keep it like is. Seems to work fine [21:18:24] workflow works for me [21:18:30] so, about 2), keep the workflow... let's vote YES NO ABSTAIN :) [21:18:35] -*- K_F yes [21:18:38] -*- WilliamH yes [21:18:40] -*- dilfridge yes [21:18:47] yes [21:19:06] yes [21:19:21] ok that's 5 yes, 0 no, 0 abstain, 2 absent [21:19:29] 3) meeting chairs [21:19:45] I can't do next one but will be happy to do Sep/Oct [21:19:49] alphabetical order? [21:20:05] K_F: usually volunteers [21:20:14] lets make ulm next chair (for missing out today) :) [21:20:16] dilfridge: i would like to do the june/july meetings [21:20:37] -*- dilfridge fires up nano [21:20:38] I have no preferences on that. [21:20:43] I have no strong preference for time of chairing [21:20:44] because i don't teach during the summer and its hard to predict if i might miss a meeting during the year [21:20:58] unlikely but could happen even on a sunday with a heavy week coming up [21:21:51] ok any volunteer for next meeting? maybe someone who's already been around? WilliamH? [21:22:11] heh, ok, I'll volunteer... [21:22:21] thanks [21:22:22] done, you've been volunteered [21:22:29] What does it involve though besides running the meeting -- does the Chair keep the log? [21:22:36] and write the summary? [21:22:41] usually yes [21:23:12] ok then maybe, jlec K_F anyone of you in nov-dec? [21:23:17] I'm not sure how to upload, so I may need someone to tell me how to put the info on the site. [21:23:24] WilliamH: I can help you, sure [21:23:35] WilliamH: its easy [21:23:37] dilfridge: fine for me [21:23:43] ok K_F nov,dec [21:23:59] jlec: jan/feb ok? [21:24:01] just commit to the repo and link from the wiki [21:24:12] dilfridge: sure, although [21:24:17] no although [21:24:32] we dont have to fix this now, there's still lots of time [21:24:52] -*- WilliamH will take a second one later in the term also... We have June and July covered right? [21:24:57] ok I'll upload the table and then we can always fill the remaining slots later. [21:25:09] yes, jun/jul covered, but mar-may is free [21:25:17] hmm [21:25:24] put me down for May I guess [21:25:26] rich0: ? [21:25:30] let's keep some free slots for rich0 and ulm :D [21:26:05] 4) Open bugs with council involvement [21:26:17] -*- dilfridge goes searchign [21:26:29] I had one but no more since I'm going to the ml with a new proposal. [21:26:32] bug #503382 [21:26:34] K_F: https://bugs.gentoo.org/503382 "Missing summaries for 20131210, 20140114, and 20140225 council meetings"; Doc Other, Project-specific documentation; CONF; ulm:council [21:26:36] bug #537996 [21:26:39] K_F: https://bugs.gentoo.org/537996 ">=sys-apps/openrc-0.13 netmount script cannot properly mount nfs shares"; Gentoo Hosted Projects, OpenRC; CONF; zerochaos:openrc [21:26:52] the first will have to be delt with by previous council [21:27:05] the 2nd I believe is deferred, but I'll leave that one to WilliamH [21:27:11] the second one is the one deferred [21:27:11] K_F: no longer, I dropped council because I'm going to do an rfc for a new proposal. [21:27:26] the first one, well we just have to keep kicking people [21:27:43] nothing new, just move along please [21:27:56] 5) Open floor to council members to introduce themselves to the others, and/or raise issues they would like to deal with [21:27:58] sooo [21:28:12] who wants to speak? in alphabetical order... [21:28:32] :) [21:28:33] i am silent like the grave! [21:28:39] (not mandatory of course) [21:28:50] ok I dont really have much new to say either, but [21:28:54] j/k [21:29:00] i'll start [21:29:07] go! [21:29:07] So I am probably the first one. [21:29:09] i'm a prof at D'Youville college buffalo ny usa [21:29:18] done [21:29:22] hehe [21:29:22] jlec go ahead [21:29:41] I am PostDoc in Biochemical/Biophysical research [21:29:53] nice where [21:29:59] Mainly focusing on Protein structure elucidation using NMR [21:30:06] in Juelich, western Germany [21:30:22] it's a research centre similar to Max Planck society [21:30:24] my ph.d was in condensed matter [21:30:26] cornell [21:30:47] I am looking after our whole computational IT infrastructure there [21:30:47] nice jlec ! [21:31:24] doing some research myself but mostly guide and supervise undergrads and PhD students [21:32:12] Beside that I am doing lots of mountaineering and climbing [21:33:00] ok... K_F? [21:33:04] Gentoo came to my life through need of a good platform for scientific software. Donnie picked me up long ago and since then I contributed [21:33:06] sorry [21:33:13] no problem. [21:33:28] K_F: go ahead [21:33:33] I work in Finance in Oslo, Norway (on various issues, mostly funding and investor relations as well as legal matters (EMTCN Programme updates etc)). In terms of computers I mostly focus on security, in particular Crypto, mainly around OpenPGP (e.g. https://sks-keyservers.net). In terms of Gentoo I would like to see the Gentoo tree being properly secured using OpenPGP. As part of that the gentoo-keys pr [21:33:39] oject is vital, so I would strongly encourage the council members to ensure their keys are set up according to GLEP63. [21:33:48] There are currently 51 devs with valid keys (53 valid keys in total). Of the council members the ratio of devs with valid keys is 4 of 7 (I have details on the individual needs in order to comply if you want me to go through that, or contact me in pmsg). The intention is for pushes to require a properly formed signature from a valid key after the git migration. [21:33:54] besides that I'm owner of a Cigar importer and lounge here in Norway, and investor in fish exports (mostly codfish and pelagic (herring and mackerell). [21:35:09] lutefisk? [21:35:20] no, but stock fish / klippfisk [21:35:22] or whatever its called [21:35:33] nice business. [21:35:42] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Klippfisk.jpg [21:35:56] been in the family for >100 years now [21:36:19] heh cool [21:36:26] https://oc.sumptuouscapital.com/index.php/s/021c70f53d9ddd180e4509311c68e2bd << picture of facility [21:36:42] 18,000 tonnes of fish in the blue one in the back :) [21:37:06] ship some to buffalo [21:37:10] :) [21:37:14] :) [21:37:17] I'll take the glacier in the back [21:37:28] jlec: I'm going mountain hiking there in a week [21:37:44] very nice! Enjoy! [21:37:57] :) [21:38:39] jlec: https://oc.sumptuouscapital.com/index.php/s/5n2FSiOTgm1rodu [21:39:01] jlec: thats the view from that side 3 weeks ago [21:39:22] (Y) [21:39:28] dilfridge: tell people what you do! [21:39:34] he [21:39:35] h [21:39:38] okok [21:39:46] so about me [21:40:22] I'm something roughly like an assistant prof at university, doing low-temperature nanophysics [21:40:48] we work on the properties of single carbon nanotubes... [21:41:13] living in Regensburg, Germany (that's Bavaria, althugh some of the locals might disagree) [21:41:28] -*- K_F awaits the Lätherhosen pictures [21:41:38] have never owned nor worn one [21:41:52] heh, I have one :p [21:42:13] but you see them every time there's a local country fair [21:42:32] dilfridge: so when are we going to see a space elevator build out of carbon nanotubes? [21:42:42] unlikely... [21:42:44] its the only stuff strong enough and flexible enough [21:42:56] can't grow them big enough [21:42:58] yes, the problem is making braid or similar [21:43:18] same problem since 1990 [21:43:21] dilfridge: They are quite fun. I have been invited to a wedding party where they were obligatory. [21:43:34] it's possible to grow some centimeters I think (at least that's the number from some years ago) [21:43:44] hehe :D [21:44:04] jlec: you know that they at some point have to stick to the seat because of the beer? [21:44:40] anyway, that's it from me. [21:44:49] anyone else still? [21:44:53] WilliamH: [21:45:02] yeah, and they are getting shiny because you never wash your hands but clean them at your Lederhose [21:45:23] Well, I've been around Gentoo since 2004. I started in the accessibility project, and I'm still the lead there... [21:45:42] I'm also the upstream author of OpenRC now, and on the QA team... [21:46:09] sorry I'm very late [21:46:17] I got a new job in May. I am a release engineer for Gaikai, inc, which is part of Sony Computer Entertainment. [21:46:34] http://www.gaikai.com [21:46:52] WilliamH: oh! i though dol-sen was doing that [21:46:57] or are you both doing that? [21:47:06] blueness: both of us. [21:47:09] nice! [21:48:26] Another hobby I have is I am an amateur radio operator. [21:48:44] WilliamH: what is your callsign? [21:48:52] K_F: kc5eiv [21:49:53] K_F: I'm pretty much limited to UHF and VHF these days, it is tricky to run HF from an apartment. ;-) [21:50:35] :) [21:50:54] K_F: I guess you are also a ham, what is your call? [21:51:08] I'm not, but I have a few acquaintances around that does [21:51:18] one with a big-ass antenna on the roof in London [21:51:27] K_F: cool. heh [21:52:01] I guess that's all from me. :-) [21:52:24] the most fun with regards to HAM is that the european GSM network overlap the US HAM radio network [21:52:33] so you can run IMSI catchers for phones legally with a HAM license [21:52:46] just need to send some signals in clear from time to time [21:52:57] I've also played some classical trumpet in the past but it has been a while... [21:53:06] nothing professional or anything, just for fun. [21:53:14] WilliamH: ooh, I played trupmpet and cornett for a decade [21:53:31] K_F: Cool. [21:54:07] -*- WilliamH is a big fan of Maurice Andre's work. [21:54:38] will have to look that up, but Cindy Bradly does a good job on it [21:55:01] Maurice Andre is a soloist... he's no longer with us... he did a lot of baroque stuff. [21:55:14] Massive Transit is great background music [21:55:22] A lot of piccolo trumpet. [21:55:23] in particular while programming [21:57:09] ulm: If you're still around, I guess I'll hand this over to you; do you want to tell the rest of us something about yourself? :-) [21:59:21] sure [22:00:11] I work as a physicist at Mainz university, in the nuclear physics institute [22:00:33] mainly interested in nucleon structure [22:00:55] doing some teaching too [22:01:29] concerning my work in Gentoo, I guess most of you will know what I do :) [22:02:39] I also happen to have an amateur radio call sign, but I'm no longer active since some years [22:04:07] I love the Guthenberg museum in Mainz, we need to meet up next time I'm down there :) [22:04:57] yeah, I guess he's the most famous person from Mainz :) [22:05:02] that and the chapel in the mountaints with the Schegal windows.. [22:05:21] hm? Chagall? [22:05:26] ehrm, right :) [22:06:22] erhhm. ok. shall we now get to the last agenda item? [22:06:33] * Open floor to community [22:06:35] yes [22:06:45] Anyone? [22:07:46] ok that suspiciously sounds like noone. [22:08:10] so, /me bangs the gavel. meeting closed! ... [00:00:00] - {Tageswechsel: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015}