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\summary{2008}{6}{12}
\agendaitem{Moderation}
\index{council!meeting!channel mode}
Modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
If it becomes necessary, we'll do it. Leave channel open till then.
\agendaitem{Time limit}
\index{council!meeting!time limit}
2 hours?
Yes. We'll move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.
\agendaitem{Document of being an active developer}
\index{developer certificate}
Last month: Numerous suggested improvements to info on the certificate.
Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and
any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 2+ hours
before the meeting.
Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
expected.
\agendaitem{Slacker arches}
\index{arches!slacking}
Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 2+ hours before the meeting.
Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
expected.
\agendaitem{Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams?}
\index{arch!arm}\index{arch!sh}\index{arch!s390}
Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their
workflow on-list 2+ hours before the meeting.
Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion
expected.
\agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?}
\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}
References:
\begin{itemize}
\item
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{db2f5c09c2c0c8b042ca3d0dcec7cdaf}
\item
\bug{188449}
\end{itemize}
Preparation: Do the package maintainers with extremely long PVs need
them? The involved packages:
\begin{verbatim}
sys-process/fuser-bsd
sys-apps/net-tools
sys-apps/gradm
net-im/ntame
media-video/captury
media-libs/libcaptury
media-libs/capseo
sys-block/btrace
www-apache/mod_depends
net-wireless/rt2500
sys-fs/unionfs
\end{verbatim}
Preparation: What's the impact of extending versionator.eclass?
Goal: With data in hand, make a decision.
Decision: We didn't have all of the testing requested. We still voted to
allow versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate
question and was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction,
please discuss with fellow implementors and present your consensus to
the council.
\agendaitem{How to handle appeals}
\index{council!appeal process}
Preparation: Post to the gentoo-council mailing list 2+ hours before the
meeting with your opinion.
\agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}
Goal: Vote on an approach that was previously posted to the list.
Decision: We approved dberkholz's proposal.
\agendaitem{as-needed by default}
\index{as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS}
antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default
LDFLAGS.
Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "RFC: --as-needed to
default LDFLAGS" 2+ hours before the meeting.
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}
Goal: Vote.
Result: Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in
make.conf.example wasn't clear. Betelgeuse suggested that we should know
the whole tree will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for
packages that append -Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider
enabling it by default.
Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote
on it on -council as soon as it solidifies.
\agendaitem{GLEP 54}
\index{GLEP!54}\index{scm suffix}\index{PV}
Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to
our nominees" 2+ hours before the meeting.
\begin{itemize}
\item
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
\item
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
\end{itemize}
Goal: Vote.
Result: lu_zero posted a second plan 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been
around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let them develop
and see if the ideas somehow merge.
\agendaitem{GLEP 55}
\index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix}
Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 2+ hours
before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we
vote.
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
meeting.
\agendaitem{GLEP 56}
\index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml}
Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag
descriptions in metadata" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to
come to a consensus before we vote.
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold
this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next
meeting.
There is still room for improvement in this GLEP, not so much in its
technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible
generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.
\agendaitem{Status of PMS}
\index{PMS}
ferringb said:
I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if
the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral*
standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if
said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.
Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "One-Day Gentoo
Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting.
\begin{itemize}
\item
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7}
\item
\agoref{gentoo-dev}{37b3ca89a1d253516437facd22a3d806}
\end{itemize}
Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council
members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.
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